21. Thucydides And The Ancient Simplicity: The Limits Of Political Realism thucydides and the Ancient Simplicity. The Limits of Political Realism. Gregory Crane. Suggested citation Crane, Gregory. thucydides and the Ancient http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft767nb497/

Home Search Browse About Us ... Help Thucydides and the Ancient Simplicity The Limits of Political Realism Gregory Crane Suggested citation: Crane, Gregory.  Thucydides and the Ancient Simplicity: The Limits of Political Realism.  Berkeley:  University of California Press,  c1998. http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft767nb497/ Contents Acknowledgments Introduction 1. Sherman at Melos 2. Truest Causes and Thucydidean Realisms ... Comments? Questions? University of California Press eScholarship Editions are published by eScholarship , the California Digital Library © 2003 The Regents of the University of California

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431 BC HISTORY OF THE PELOPONNESIAN WAR by Thucydides CHAPTER XVII. Sixteenth Year of the War - The Melian Conference - Fate of Melos Athenians . Since the negotiations are not to go on before the people, in order that we may not be able to speak straight on without interruption, and deceive the ears of the multitude by seductive arguments which would pass without refutation (for we know that this is the meaning of our being brought before the few), what if you who sit there were to pursue a method more cautious still? Make no set speech yourselves, but take us up at whatever you do not like, and settle that before going any farther. And first tell us if this proposition of ours suits you. The Melian commissioners answered: Melians . To the fairness of quietly instructing each other as you propose there is nothing to object; but your military preparations are too far advanced to agree with what you say, as we see you are come to be judges in your own cause, and that all we can reasonably expect from this negotiation is war, if we prove to have right on our side and refuse to submit, and in the contrary case, slavery. Athenians . If you have met to reason about presentiments of the future, or for anything else than to consult for the safety of your state upon the facts that you see before you, we will give over; otherwise we will go on.

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24. Letters Sometimes termed “the thucydides syndrome” for the evocative narrative provided During the plague of Athens, thucydides may have made the same unusual http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol2no2/olson.htm

Emerging Infectious Diseases * Volume 2 * Number 2 April-June 1996 Letters The Thucydides Syndrome: Ebola Déjà Vu? (or Ebola Reemergent?) Download Article To the Editor The plague of Athens (430-427/425 B.C.) persists as one of the great medical mysteries of antiquity , the plague of Athens has been the subject of conjecture for centuries. In an unprecedented, devastating 3-year appearance, the disease marked the end of the Age of Pericles in Athens and, as much as the war with Sparta, it may have hastened the end of the Golden Age of Greece By comparison, a modern case definition of Ebola virus infection notes sudden onset, fever, headache, and pharyngitis, followed by cough, vomiting, diarrhea, maculopapular rash, and hemorrhagic diathesis, with a case-fatality rate of 50% to 90%, death typically occurring in the second week of the disease. Disease among health-care providers and care givers has been a prominent feature . In a review of the 1995 Ebola outbreak in Zaire, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that the most frequent initial symptoms were fever (94%), diarrhea (80%), and severe weakness (74%), with dysphagia and clinical signs of bleeding also frequently present. Symptomatic hiccups was also reported in 15% of patients During the plague of Athens, Thucydides may have made the same unusual clinical observation. The phrase

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Author:Thucydides From Wikisource Jump to: navigation search Author Index: T Thucydides (460 BCE–400 BCE) See also biography media quotes Ancient Greek historian, who fought in the Peloponnesian War war for the Athenians as a naval commander, and wrote an account of that war which is considered the first work of scientific history. His History was followed by the Hellenica of Xenophon Thucydides edit Works History of the Peloponnesian War Retrieved from " http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Thucydides Categories Authors-T 460 BCE births ... Ancient historians Views Author Discussion Edit History Personal tools Log in / create account Navigation Main Page Community portal Community discussion Recent changes ... Donate Search Toolbox What links here Related changes Upload file Special pages ... Permanent link In other languages This page was last modified 13:16, 13 July 2007. Content is available under the GNU Free Documentation License About Wikisource

26. Thucydides (460-400 BC); A Short Biography A short biography of thucydides (460400 BC), the famous ancient Greek who wrote The Peloponessian War . http://www.ourcivilisation.com/decline/thcydds.htm

Thucydides (460-400 BC) The Author of " The Peloponessian War Thucydides the son of Olorus was born probably about 460 BC and died about the year 400 BC. When the Peloponnesian War broke out in 431 B.C Thucydides probably took part in some of its early actions. Some time between 430 and 427 he fell ill in the plague, but recovered. In 424 he was appointed general, but his small squadron of ships arrived too late to save the important Athenian colony of Amphipolis from the Spartan commander Brasidas, though he successfully held the nearby port of Eion against Brasidas's attacks. In consequence he was exiled, not returning until twenty years had passed, only to die a few years later. For much of the period he describes The Peloponnesian War is the only source that survives. The verity of his reports and the justice of his perceptions have been the cause of controversy amongst scholars for centuries. But it is certain that he used his historical imagination to reconstruct only as a last resort. When the various parts of the history were composed, which of these he revised, and whether their chronological inconsistencies are due to later editing - these questions are still unsolved. Two Kinds Of people Two Modes Of Community Biographies Library

27. The History Of The Peloponnesian War By Thucydides - Project Gutenberg Download the free eBook The History of the Peloponnesian War by thucydides. http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/7142

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home index ancient Greece Thucydides Thucydides (Altes Museum, Berlin) Thucydides (c.460-c.395): Athenian general and historian, author of the History of the Peloponnesian War Being exiled because he had during the Archidamian War been unable to defend Amphipolis against the Spartan commander Brasidas , the former Athenian general Thucydides wrote the history of the wars fought between Athens and Sparta in the years 431-404. And nothing else. Because of the absence of romantic digressions, the History of the Peloponnesian War is less easy to read than the Histories of Herodotus , but Thucydides offers an in-depth analysis of the mechanisms of war, which -he oped- would be useful in all ages. And indeed, his description of the changing use of language in times of war has become a classic. Although he does his best to remain objective, Thucydides can not always hide his personal judgment. For example, his account of the plague at Athens in 429 slowly develops into a shocking story about moral corruption. His judgment of people like Pericles Cleon and Nicias is, according to modern historians, hardly accurate, and the last word has not yet been spoken about his dismissal of the

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31. Thucydides And The Ancient Simplicity He takes a set of old questionsthucydides objectivity, realism, and understanding of human natureand gives them a new and exciting twist. http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/6843.html

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33. Thucydides, The Melian Dialogue thucydides, The Peloponnesian War, The Melian Dialogue (Book 5, Chapter 17). Translated by Richard Crawley. Electronic text from the Internet Classics http://www.wellesley.edu/ClassicalStudies/CLCV102/Thucydides--MelianDialogue.htm

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War, The Melian Dialogue (Book 5, Chapter 17) Translated by Richard Crawley. Electronic text from the Internet Classics Archive at MIT: http://classics.mit.edu/Thucydides/pelopwar.5.fifth.html Sixteenth Year of the War - The Melian Conference - Fate of Melos Athenians. Since the negotiations are not to go on before the people, in order that we may not be able to speak straight on without interruption, and deceive the ears of the multitude by seductive arguments which would pass without refutation (for we know that this is the meaning of our being brought before the few), what if you who sit there were to pursue a method more cautious still? Make no set speech yourselves, but take us up at whatever you do not like, and settle that before going any farther. And first tell us if this proposition of ours suits you. The Melian commissioners answered: Melians. To the fairness of quietly instructing each other as you propose there is nothing to object; but your military preparations are too far advanced to agree with what you say, as we see you are come to be judges in your own cause, and that all we can reasonably expect from this negotiation is war, if we prove to have right on our side and refuse to submit, and in the contrary case, slavery. Athenians.

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Index Biography of Thucydides Thucydides. Greek historian. Born at Athens about 471 B.C. Is said to have been descended from Olorus, King of Thrace. At the outbreak of the Peloponnesian War Thucydides received a command, but failed to relieve Amphipolis when besieged by Brasidas, and was banished (423 B.C.). After 20 years of exile, during which he is supposed to have written his "History of the Peloponnesian War," Thucydides returned to Athens about 403. Died about 400 B.C.

35. The Plague - Thucydides' Peloponnesian War thucydides on the plague of Athens. In the midst of war, Athens was overcome by plague. http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/greecehellas1/a/plagueathens.htm

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36. Thucydides, C.460-c.400 B.C. Living in the Athens of Pericles, thucydides regarded the motives of statesman and the actions of government as the essence of history. http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/thucydides.html

Thucydides, c.460-c.400 B.C. The Greek historian of the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides was the son of Olorus, an aristocrat, and was born near Athens around 460 B.C. He suffered in the plague that devastated Athens in 430, but managed to recover and command an Athenian squadron of seven ships at Thasos (424). Failing to relieve Amphipolis, he was condemned to death. He took refuge in exile and retired to his Thracian estates. Thucydides lived in exile for the next twenty years and probably did not return to Athens until 404. Living in the Athens of Pericles, Thucydides regarded the motives of statesman and the actions of government as the essence of history. He did not simply categorize facts. Instead, Thucydides sought out those general principles that those facts illustrated. He searched for the truth underlying historical events and learned that the motives of men follow certain patterns. Therefore, the proper analysis of the Peloponnesian War would reveal those general principles that also govern human behavior. In The Peloponnesian War , Thucydides writes: Of the events of the war I have not ventured to speak from any chance information, nor according to any notion of my own; I have described nothing but what I either saw myself, or learned from others of whom I made the most careful and particular inquiry. The task was a laborious one, because eyewitnesses of the same occurrences gave different accounts of them, as they remembered or were [partial to] one side or the other. And very likely the strictly historical character of my narrative may be disappointing to the ear. But if he who desires to have before his eyes a true picture of the events which have happened, and of the like events which may be expected to happen hereafter in the order of human things shall pronounce what I have written to be useful, then I shall be satisfied. My history is an everlasting possession, not a prize composition which is heard and forgotten.

37. Thucydides - LoveToKnow 1911 thucydides (00vrcv60ns), Athenian historian. Materials for his biography are scanty, and the facts are of interest chiefly as aids to the appreciation of http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Thucydides

Thucydides From LoveToKnow 1911 THUCYDIDES (00vrcv60ns), Athenian historian. Materials for his biography are scanty, and the facts are of interest chiefly as aids to the appreciation of his life's labour, the History of the Peloponnesian War The older view that he was probably born in or about 471 B.C., is based on a passage of Aulus Gellius , who says that in 431 Hellanicus " seems to have been" sixty-five years of age, Herodotus fifty-three and Thucydides forty ( Noct. att. xv. 23). The authority for this statement was Pamphila, a woman of Greek extraction, who compiled biographical and historical notices in the reign of Nero . The value of her testimony is, however, negligible, and modern criticism inclines to a later date, about 460 1 (see Busolt, Gr. Gesch. iii., pt. 2, p. 621). Thucydides' father Olorus, a citizen of Athens , belonged to a family which derived wealth and influence from the possession of gold -mines at Scapte Hyle, on the Thracian coast opposite Thasos , and was a relative of his elder namesake, the Thracian prince, whose daughter Hegesipyle married the great Miltiades , so that Cimon , son of Miltiades, was possibly a connexion of Thucydides (see Busolt, ibid., p. 618). It was in the

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39. Earthquake Cove: Everybody Should Read Thucydides I ve recently finished reading thucydides account of the Peloponnesian war. I consider myself to be lacking in a classical education so am embarking on a http://earthquakecove.blogspot.com/2006/06/everybody-should-read-thucydides.html

skip to main skip to sidebar Earthquake Cove Sunday, June 11, 2006 Everybody should read Thucydides I've recently finished reading Thucydides' account of the Peloponnesian war. I consider myself to be lacking in a classical education so am embarking on a late attempt to become familiar with some of the classics. The translator himself warns that the book can be a little dry but I found it anything but. It is long, but it is one of the freshest and most gripping books I have ever read. His non-partisan approach leads to one rooting for different sides at different points in the conflict. The discussion of the tactics employed in the battles are truly exciting, as are the reports of the various debates about strategy. Although there is an element of poetic licence in reporting the debates, it was refreshing to read each side analysing the other side's arguments in detail and explaining why it is wrong, rather than giving a list of figures and soundbites beloved of today's politicians. And these were people who would make a decision and carry it out, rather than getting bogged down in bureaucracy. This was a time when Athens and her allies functioned as democracies, where all eligible citizens took part in the business of government (unlike modern democracies where it is limited to elected representatives, and are closer to being oligarchies). It portrays a real sense of a time when democracy and oligarchy competed for hearts and minds and people were willing to die for both causes. When these ideological conflicts led to civil war, Thucydides' account reminds one of the French or Russian revolutions - it is clear that people's willingness to descend into savagery in devotion to an idea is nothing new.

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Home Ordering Search/Browse Contact ... HUP History of the Peloponnesian War, I Books 1-2 Thucydides Translator C. F. Smith Thucydides of Athens, one of the greatest of historians, was born about 471 BCE The Loeb Classical Library edition of Thucydides is in four volumes. Other HUP Books by Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War, II: Books 3-4 History of the Peloponnesian War, III: Books 5-6 History of the Peloponnesian War, IV: Books 7-8. General Index Other HUP Books by C. F. Smith History of the Peloponnesian War, II: Books 3-4 History of the Peloponnesian War, III: Books 5-6 History of the Peloponnesian War, IV: Books 7-8. General Index Main Book Page ... Author Forum Search for this book in libraries near you: Enter title, subject or author Harvard edition 3 maps 496 pages Hardcover edition Loeb January 1919 ISBN 13: 978-0-674-99120-0 ISBN 10: 0-674-99120-6 Browse Related Subject Areas: Books Books Menu ALL books by: NEW books by: ... HUP and the Green Press Initiative

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