1. James Patrick Kelly - Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia James Patrick Kelly (born 1951 in Mineola, New York) is a Hugo and Nebula-award winning American science fiction author who began publishing in the 1970s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Patrick_Kelly

James Patrick Kelly From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation search For other persons named James Kelly, see James Kelly (disambiguation) Front cover of Burn James Patrick Kelly (born in Mineola, New York ) is a Hugo - and Nebula -award winning American science fiction author who began publishing in the 1970s and remains to this day an important figure in the SF field. Kelly made his first fiction sale in 1975, and has since been a major force in the science fiction field. He graduated magna cum laude from the University of Notre Dame in 1972, with a B.A. in English Literature. After graduating college, he worked as a full-time proposal writer until 1977. He attended the science fiction workshop, Clarion , twice; once in 1974 and again in 1976. Throughout the 1980s, he and friend John Kessel became involved in the humanist cyberpunk debate. While Kessel and Kelly were both humanists , Kelly also wrote several cyberpunk -like stories, such as "The Prisoner of Chillon" (1985) and "Rat" (1986). His story "Solstice" (1985) was published in Bruce Sterling's seminal anthology MirrorShades: The Cyberpunk Anthology Kelly has been awarded several of science fiction's highest honors. He won the

2. James Patrick Kelly James Patrick Kelly might rightly be called a novelettist . He s already won two Hugo Awards for Best Novelette, one in 1996 for Think Like a Dinosaur http://www.scifidimensions.com/Sep02/jamespatrickkelly.htm

www.scifidimensions.com Latest News Commentary Letters to the Editor ... Atlanta SF Calendar Institutional Member of SFWA All original content is John C. Snider unless otherwise indicated. No duplication without express written permission. Interview: James Patrick Kelly by John C. Snider Many science fiction writers refer to themselves as novelists. James Patrick Kelly might rightly be called a "novelettist". He's already won two Hugo Awards for Best Novelette, one in 1996 for "Think Like a Dinosaur" and another in 2001 for "10 to 1". Now he's going for three with his current nomination for last year's "Undone". (A novelette is between 7,500 and 17,500 words, by the way!) Both "10

3. Fictionwise EBooks: James Patrick Kelly James Patrick Kelly,Fictionwise Excellence in eBooks; Fictionwise is the world s leading independent eBook retailer. Thousands of eBooks by best selling http://www.fictionwise.com/eBooks/JamesPatrickKellyeBooks.htm

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4. SEC Info - Kelly James Patrick - 3 - Cabot Corp - For 10/21/05 Pages Size 1 3 Initial Statement of Beneficial Ownership of XML 7K Securities 2 EX24 Power of Attorney From James P. Kelly......Document/Exhibit http://www.secinfo.com/dfW7.z1k.htm

SEC Info Home Search My Interests Help ... Sign In Please Sign In Kelly James Patrick Cabot Corp · For 10/21/05 Filed On 9:45am ET   ·   SEC File   ·   Accession Number 16040-5-59  in  this filing. an "object" Search.   Show  docs searched  and  the 1st "hit". every "hit". Help... Wildcards: (any letter),  (many).  Logic: for Docs:  and (or);  for Text:  anywhere (near). As Of Filer Filing As/For/On Docs:Pgs Issuer Agent Kelly James Patrick Cabot Corp Cabot Corp Initial Statement of Beneficial Ownership of Securities   ·   Form 3 Filing Table of Contents Document/Exhibit Description Pages Size Initial Statement of Beneficial Ownership of XML 7K Securities EX-24 Power of Attorney From James P. Kelly HTML 7K 3   ·   Initial Statement of Beneficial Ownership of Securities This is an EDGAR XML document rendered as filed SEC Form 3 FORM 3 UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Washington, D.C. 20549 INITIAL STATEMENT OF BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP OF SECURITIES Filed pursuant to Section 16(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, Section 17(a) of the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935 or Section 30(h) of the Investment Company Act of 1940 OMB APPROVAL OMB Number: Expires: January 31, 2008

5. NH Arts - Arts & Artists James Patrick Kelly, Science Fiction Writer, Nottingham. James Patrick kelly james patrick Kelly has authored five novels and more than 60 published stories http://www.nh.gov/nharts/artsandartists/2008 Fellows/jamespatrickkelly.htm

grants about us nh arts home about us ... site map James Patrick Kelly, Science Fiction Writer, Nottingham James Patrick Kelly has authored five novels and more than 60 published stories, essays, reviews, poetry, plays and planetarium shows. His novella BURN was awarded the 2007 Nebula Award by the Science Fiction Writers of America. He is also a two-time winner of the World Science Fiction Society's Hugo Award for his novelettes Think Like A Dinosaur and Ten to the Sixteenth to One Other books include Strange But Not a Stranger Think Like a Dinosaur and Other Stories Wildlife ), Heroines Look into the Sun Freedom Beach with John Kessel (1986) and Planet of Whispers (1984). His fiction has been translated into sixteen languages. He has also co-edited two anthologies, Feeling Very Strange: The Slipstream Anthology (2006) and Rewired: The Post-Cyberpunk Anthology He writes a column on the internet for Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine and is on the faculty of the Stonecoast Creative Writing MFA program at the University of Southern Maine. He posts two weekly podcasts: Free Reads and James Patrick Kelly's Storypod . He is the vice chair of the Clarion Foundation, which oversees the Clarion Science Fiction Workshop. He served on the New Hampshire State Arts Council from 1998 to 2006 and was Chairman from 2004 to 2006. He has also served on the board of the New England Foundation For The Arts.

6. Review: Burn By James Patrick Kelly James Patrick Kelly is one of the preeminant short fiction writers in the SF genre, so it may not come as a surprise to learn that Burn is a novella rather http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/books/1-892391-27-9.html

Ysabel Russ Allbery Reviews Flowers for Algernon Burn by James Patrick Kelly Publisher: Tachyon ISBN: Format: Hardcover Pages: James Patrick Kelly is one of the pre-eminant short fiction writers in the SF genre, so it may not come as a surprise to learn that Burn is a novella rather than a novel. Its only print publication (at least so far) is as a relatively expensive hardcover through a small press, but it's also available on-line in various formats (particularly given that it was short-listed for the 2006 Hugo). The setting of the story is an undesirable planet taken over by a settlement of devotees of Thoreau and his views on simplicitly of life. Over the course of the story, one learns that the rest of human-controlled space has gone far down the path of technological development; various modifications of humans are hinted at, and one supporting character is an uploaded mind of some sort. The world of Walden, however, is a refuge for unmodified humans, living a simple rural life that is likely to remind the modern reader of the Amish (although Thoreau's philosophies have a subtly different motivation). Two things are interfering with that utopia. First, the original settlers refused to leave, and now tha the Walden settlers are spreading a fast-growing type of tree that's covering the planet, they're starting fires to fight back, often via self-immolation. Second, the protagonist Spur, one of the Walden forest fire-fighters, is recovering from burns suffered in one of those attacks in a very sophisticated hospital and contacts an off-worlder with a very similar name on a whim while there. As a result, High Gregory of Kenning, a particularly enthusiastic and apparently powerful 10-year-old boy, shows up on Walden with a group of advisors and wants to poke his nose into everything.

7. The Official James Patrick Kelly Web Site - Home On February 2, 2007, Audible.com, the largest seller of audiobooks online, launched james patrick kelly s StoryPod, a forpay podcast that features me http://www.jimkelly.net/

Home Contact Bio News Home Main Menu Home Fiction Essays Podcasts ... Photos Search James Patrick Kelly Featured Work Burn On May 12, 2007 my little novel vaulted into history when it won the Nebula for Best Novella. The Nebula Award is given yearly by the Science Fiction Writers of America. Here is the complete list of Nebulists: Novel: Seeker, by Jack McDevitt (Ace, Nov05) Novella: "Burn," by James Patrick Kelly (podcast version) (Tachyon Publications, Dec05) Novelette: "Two Hearts," by Peter S. Beagle Short Story: "Echo," by Elizabeth Hand (Studio Ghibli and Walt Disney Pictures, U.S. Premier 10 Jun05. Based on the novel by Diana Wynne Jones.) Andre Norton Award: Magic or Madness, by Justine Larbalestier (Penguin Razorbill, May05) You can listen to the podcast version in four parts: Part One Part Two Part Three Part Four Burn On May 12, 2007 my little novel vaulted into history when it won the Nebula for Best Novella. The Nebula Award is given yearly by the Science Fiction Writers of America. Here is the complete list of Nebulists: Novel: Seeker, by Jack McDevitt

8. James Patrick Kelly On LibraryThing | Catalog Your Books Online There are 14 conversations about james patrick kelly s books. Member ratings Disambiguation notice. Users with books by james patrick kelly http://www.librarything.com/author/kellyjamespatrick

Language: English [ others Albanian Basque Bulgarian ... Welsh Over twenty-two million books on members' bookshelves. Home Book Suggestions Zeitgeist Groups ... add a picture Author: James Patrick Kelly Also known as: James Patrick Kelly James P. Kelly Members Reviews Rating Favorited Conversations Books by James Patrick Kelly combine/separate works 82 copies, 3 reviews Think Like a Dinosaur and Other Stories 52 copies, 3 reviews Wildlife 43 copies, review Burn 42 copies, 6 reviews Look into the Sun 39 copies, 1 review Strange but not a stranger 29 copies, 4 reviews Rewired: The Post-Cyberpunk Anthology 25 copies, review Freedom Beach 24 copies, review Planet of Whispers 15 copies, 1 review Undone 11 copies, 9 reviews 10 to the 16th to 1 (Unabridged) 7 copies, 4 reviews Think Like a Dinosaur [short story] 7 copies, 6 reviews Bernardo's House 6 copies, 4 reviews Itsy Bitsy Spider 6 copies, 6 reviews Heroines: Author's Choice Monthly, Issue 9 6 copies, review see all 66 books Member ratings Average: 0.5 stars 1 stars 1.5 stars 2 stars 2.5 stars 3 stars 3.5 stars

9. Free Reads ~ James Patrick Kelly Reads Himself james patrick kelly here. I write science fiction and fantasy. I ve published a lot. For instance, I ve won the Hugo award twice; however I m 09 in Nebula http://freereads.blogspot.com/

@import url("http://www.blogger.com/css/blog_controls.css"); @import url("http://www.blogger.com/dyn-css/authorization.css?targetBlogID=17970664"); Free Reads ~ James Patrick Kelly Reads Himself James Patrick Kelly here. I write science fiction and fantasy. I've published a lot. For instance, I've won the Hugo award twice; however I'm 0-9 in Nebula nominations Late Breaking News: I just won a Nebula in my tenth try! A couple of years ago, I started posting mp3 files of me reading my own stuff on my website, www.jimkelly.net. Now I'm podcasting. Currently I'm plowing through (delightfully interpreting) my 1989 novel LOOK INTO THE SUN. Enjoy! Wednesday, November 07, 2007 LOOK INTO THE SUN Part Thirty-four Here is Part Thirty-four of my 1989 novel LOOK INTO THE SUN. Time: 23:52 File Size: 11.5mb This concludes LOOK INTO THE SUN. I'm going to be taking a couple of weeks off to recuperate before I launch my next foolhardy endeavor. See you then! posted by Jim Kelly # 7:56 PM 0 comments Thursday, November 01, 2007 LOOK INTO THE SUN Part Thirty-three Here is the Part Thirty-three of my 1989 novel LOOK INTO THE SUN. Time: 15:44 File Size: 7.6mb

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11. SFFAudio - Author Focus - James Patrick Kelly Particularily adept with short fiction, james patrick kelly is well represented in the audio medium. A few years ago he was actively involved with Seeing http://www.sffaudio.com/AuthorJamesPatrickKelly.html

Author Focus - JAMES PATRICK KELLY Particularily adept with short fiction, James Patrick Kelly is well represented in the audio medium. A few years ago he was actively involved with Seeing Ear Theater - before production ceased - and several of Jim's stories were adapted to SET's unique audio dramatizations. His stories tend towards the sociological and personal - but they also tend to be humourus and poetical. Kelly currently writes a column about the internet for Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine and for the last few years he's lived in Nottingham, NH, pop 3300. Kelly describes his place there as "The Bunker." Kelly has a website ( www.jimkelly.net ) on which, amongst a lot of other good stuff, he publishes some of his own audiobooks! That section of his site is called Free Reads 10 to the 16th to 1 By James Patrick Kelly Read by Brian Corrigan 1 hour - Unabridged Publisher: Random House Audible Published: 2001 An evocative story of a young boy thrown into the thick of the Cold War when he is faced with some very tough choices, the sort which turn a boy into a man - and which could also spell doom for all life on Earth if he chooses wrong. "10 to the 16th to 1" was a selection in The Year's Best Science Fiction edited by Gardner Dozois.

12. James Patrick Kelly's Podcast - Boing Boing Hugo Awardwinning author james patrick kelly has started podcasting BURN, a soon-to-be-published-but-not-quite novella from Tachyon Publications. http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/01/james-patrick-kellys.html

Boing Boing Home Gadgets TV Suggest a Link ... Joel James Patrick Kelly's podcast Posted by Cory Doctorow, November 1, 2005 6:40 PM permalink Hugo Award-winning author James Patrick Kelly has started podcasting BURN, a "soon-to-be-published-but-not-quite novella from Tachyon Publications." He sez, "I'll be doing a chapter a week for sixteen weeks. Will it kill the book? Will my editor then kill me? Stay tuned for the exciting conclusion!" Podcast Feed Link Older John Peel's favorite records Newer Science of Absinthe Don't Miss Steampunk Nerf guns BBtv: Build Rome in a Day Taxonomy of regional pizza styles Boing Boing tv: Steampunk Tree House ... Heathrow Terminal 5: Electricity-free no-laptop zone? Recent Comments Antinous said : "I know that it's not the main point, but doesn't the name Falkenrath just sound like a supervillain? ..." Rick said : "Greetings, Comrades! The Glorious Union of Soviet Capitalist Republics welcomes you! ..." ... : "Between #3's, "Sprained your vaginas" and this one's, "Strap on your stupid", I have a total crush o ..." the latest Modern Mechanix Round-Up Video: Clip from "Ikarie XB 1," Czechoslovakian Space Noir (1963)

13. James Patrick Kelly - An Infinity Plus Profile james patrick kelly. Jim kelly has had an eclectic writing career. He has written novels, james patrick kelly 13 September 1997; updated October 2002. http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/misc/jpk.htm

James Patrick Kelly Jim Kelly has had an eclectic writing career. He has written novels, short stories, essays, reviews, poetry, plays and planetarium shows. His novels include Planet of Whispers Freedom Beach with John Kessel (1985), Look into the Sun (1989), and Wildlife (1994). He has published two short story collections, Heroines (1990) and Think like a Dinosaur and Other Stories (1997) which is hot off the presses from a new publisher, Golden Gryphon Press, and which would make a wonderful gift for your brother, or maybe your cousin Betty. He has written more than forty stories, which have been translated into eleven languages. He has been nominated for the Nebula more times than he cares to remember, having never won. On the other hand, his novelette "Think Like A Dinosaur" won the Hugo Award in 1996. One of his many time-wasting hobbies is his web page Elsewhere in infinity plus stories The Edge of Nowhere Monsters The Propagation of Light in a Vacuum features - read a review of Jim's Think Like a Dinosaur Elsewhere on the web: James Patrick Kelly at Amazon.com

14. James Patrick Kelly, John Kessel | Interviews | SCI FI Weekly Hugo Awardwinning SF author james patrick kelly was born 1951 in Mineola, N.Y., and began publishing in 1975. His stories frequently appear in Asimov s http://www.scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw12963.html

document.write(''); Sarah Michelle Gellar, Brendan Fraser, Andy Garcia Matt Reeves, Lizzy Caplan, Michael Stahl-David Lena Headey, James Middleton Donna LaCroix, Robb Demarest ... Neal McDonough, Alan Cumming, Raoul Trujillo June 12, 2006 Award-winning authors James Patrick Kelly and John Kessel team up as editors to define a genre that ... well ... isn't By John Joseph Adams Hugo Award-winning SF author James Patrick Kelly was born 1951 in Mineola, N.Y., and began publishing in 1975. His stories frequently appear in Asimov's Science Fiction , where he also has a nonfiction column about the Internet called "On the Net." His novella, Burn , is a current Hugo Award finalist and is available for free online as both an electronic text and a podcast. Although he has written novels, including Wildlife and Freedom Beach (co-authored with John Kessel), he is primarily known for his short fiction, most of which has been gathered together in two stunning collections: Think Like a Dinosaur and Other Stories and Strange But Not a Stranger . He currently teaches in the Stonecoast Creative Writing MFA program at the University of Southern Maine. SF author, editor and scholar

15. IT Conversations: James Patrick Kelly I thought you might be interested in listening to the following audio program from IT Conversations james patrick kelly http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail219.html

Our Supporters: James Patrick Kelly author Voices in Your Head James Patrick Kelly Play now: Download MP3 Help with Listening Permalink Subscribe to Podcast ... Excerpt L_VARS.guid='http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail219.html'; loomia_ratingControl(L_VARS); [runtime: 00:51:09, 23.4 mb, recorded 2004-10-11] digg_skin = 'compact'; digg_window = 'new'; Voices in Your Head, a new IT Conversations series hosted by Dave Slusher: Author James Patrick Kelly is known for his award-winning and powerful short fiction, including such works as Think Like a Dinosaur, Mr. Boy and Undone. He is the long-time columnist on internet issues for Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. In this interview, Dave and Jim discuss the birth of cyberpunk as a sub-genre, how science fiction can help us face the future, the value of using the internet to distribute fiction, and much more. Send an email message about this program to your friend(s). To Email Address (Separate multiple addresses with commas.) Your Email Address Your Name Message I thought you might be interested in listening to the following audio program from IT Conversations: 'James Patrick Kelly' http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail219.html IT Conversations podcasts can be listened to on your computer. Simply click on the listen arrow button. For convenient listening they can also be downloaded to an MP3 player. If this podcast was indeed of interest, I encourage you to register as a guest at http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/join/getguestreginfo/ to receive bi-weekly updates about new releases. Enjoy!

16. Audible.com James Patrick Kelly S StoryPod 2.0 StoryPod 2.0 brings you 13 classic stories from Hugo and Nebula Awardwinning author james patrick kelly . http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/products/ProductDetail.jsp?productID=BK_JPKB_99

17. CHARACTERIZATION by james patrick kelly. Copyright © 1991 by Davis Publications, . Or as Henry james said, What is character but the determination of incident? http://www.sfwa.org/writing/character.htm

You and Your Characters by James Patrick Kelly Once I admitted to myself that I had the raging hunger to write, I gobbled up every book on the subject I could find. I still have most of them; I've just gathered fourteen and stacked them beside my computer monitor for inspiration. Each has a chapter on characterization. If you're looking for technical jargon, have I got some used books for you! It seems there are all kinds of characters: developing characters, static characters, round characters, flat characters, cardboard characters (oh, are there cardboard characters!), viewpoint characters, sympathetic characters, unsympathetic characters, stock characters, confidantes, foils, spear-carriers, narrators, protagonists, antagonists. But that's not all; characters can play many roles. There are flat, sympathetic, static confidantes, like the unnamed first person narrator in H.G. Wells "The Time Machine." Or developing, flat, unsympathetic antagonists, like HAL in 2001, A Space Odyssey . Still with me? no ! Slow down! Tell, don't show

18. NH Arts - Arts & Artists james patrick kelly Science Fiction Writer TA;AIE;CAP. Jim kelly is a writer of science fiction, fantasy, mainstream fiction, essays, poetry and plays. http://pierce.state.nh.us/nharts/artsandartists/roster/artistinfo.asp?ArtistID=4

19. Tachyon Publications: Burn, James Patrick Kelly During a brief early career in public relations, james patrick kelly attended the Clarion Writers Workshop and has been writing professionally ever since. http://www.tachyonpublications.com/book/Burn.html

James Patrick Kelly Visit the James Patrick Kelly website During a brief early career in public relations, James Patrick Kelly attended the Clarion Writers' Workshop and has been writing professionally ever since. He has become one of the most prolific and successful short fiction writers in science fiction. Nominated for the Nebula Award, Kelly has won the Hugo Award twice: in 1996, for his novelette "Think Like A Dinosaur" and in 2000, for his novelette "Ten to the Sixteenth to One." In 2006 he and John Kessel co-edited Feeling Very Strange: the Slipstream Anthology (Tachyon). Kelly has returned to the Clarion Workshop to teach and serve on the board of directors. He has taught writing in the NEA-funded Arts in Education program, and is currently the Chair of the New Hampshire State Council on the Arts. Burn by James Patrick Kelly A 2005 Hugo Award Nominated Book Cover illustration by John Picacio; Cover design by Ann Monn "A powerful cocktail of the strange and the hauntingly familiar" -Cory Doctorow Simplicity ain't what it used to be.

20. The Infinite Matrix | James Patrick Kelly | Why School Buses Are Yellow The Men in the Back Room at the Country Club, a short story by Rudy Rucker, in The Infinite Matrix, a magazine for people who enjoy science fiction as a http://www.infinitematrix.net/stories/shortshorts/kelly-yellow.html

why school buses are yellow by James Patrick Kelly photos :: a. fluffy bunny please contribute if you've enjoyed our site T H A N K S ! Eileen In the beginning, everyone went to school at night. The first bell rang at 10 PM and kids sat in class until midnight, when everyone went to the lunchroom to eat. The cafeteria food didn't actually look all that bad under the lights. For a while our school here in town had flashlight night and Mrs. Perkins turned off all the lights in the cafeteria and the kids ate by flashlight. But that ended when our lunch ladies complained about the mess. After lunch there was recess, but since none of the kids parents allowed them to play outside in the middle of the night, recess wasn't much fun. Mostly kids just sat in the hall and played go fish or doodled in their notebooks or counted the floor tiles. After recess, everyone went back to class. The buses came at 3:30 in the morning. Most of them were black, although some were dark blue or purple with brown polka dots. You had to look real hard to see them. Kids usually got home in time for sunrise and a nice breakfast of hamburgers or pizza or maybe chicken nuggets. The good thing about night school was that all the kids studied hard and were did well on standardized tests because when they looked out the window in class there was nothing to see. The bad thing about night school was well there wasn't anything bad. Everyone thought it was perfect. Or at least that's what they thought in the beginning. they weren't very smart back then.

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