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Supply and migration of Canadian physicians, 1970-1995: why we should learn to love an immigrant doctor.: An article from: Canadian Journal of Regional Science by Hugh Grant, Ronald Oertel, 1997-03-22
French health-care reform: 30,000 uninsured: France's experience offers a caution to Canadians seeking similar health-care reform.(WORLD): An article from: Catholic New Times by Tom Sandborn, 2006-05-21
Senate Committee study on Canada's health care system.: An article from: Canadian Parliamentary Review by Jeffrey J. MacLeod, Howard Chodos, 2003-03-22
Pay attention to values.(Canadian health care system)(Editorial): An article from: Catholic New Times
Caring for profit: how corporations are taking over Canada's health care system.: An article from: Labour/Le Travail
Etude du systeme de sante canadien par le Comite senatorial.: An article from: Revue parlementaire canadienne by Jeffrey J. MacLeod, Howard Chodos, 2003-03-22

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UNCoRRELATED: Socialized Medicine: Political Teflon
socialized medicine Political teflon Since canadian tax policy insures thatvirtually all canadians are poor, they are willing to accept the
http://www.uncorrelated.com/archives/2005/03/socialized_medi.html

Extractions: INDC Journal and Captain's Quarters have both linked to a couple of other blogs that discuss (and display in photographs) the conditions in Cuban hospitals. Needless to saythey're bad. Cuban apologists consistently point to its free medical care as one of the virtues of the revolution. This doesn't may much hay with actual Cubans, refugees or otherwise, but liberal Americans find it incredibly sexy. Actually, what they find sexy is the political utility of 'free medical care'. I am not familiar with the Cuban system, but I do have considerable experience and familiar with the Canadian system, which has similar problems as well as similar political advantages. In spite of substandard care (relative to American standards) and unconscionable waits (29 weeks in the case of one province), Canadians continue to support the system and largely because the Canadian government and its media lapdogs have cast the American healthcare system as a rapacious, mercantile system that discards the poor to die. Since Canadian tax policy insures that virtually all Canadians are poor, they are willing to accept the deficiencies of the healthcare systems as "better than nothing". I have little doubt that Cuban healthcare politics work in precisely the same way.
Conservative Life - American Politics - Socialized Medicine: Waiting To Death
Defenders of socialized medicine often point to the ethics of their argument . Unless the canadian government controls canadians crossing the US border
http://conservativelife.com/blog/index.php/america/2005/03/16/socialized-medicin

Extractions: by ferret Defenders of socialized medicine often point to the ethics of their argument. They contend that "queue jumping" means that the health of the wealthy is more important than that of the poor. Putting aside the fact that two-tiered health care (a parallel private system) allows citizens to jump into a different queue thereby making both queues shorter, they may have a point. There is a certain ethical problem with private health care. But that ethical problem is dwarfed by the realities of socialized medicine as Andrew J. Mead learned first hand... Immediately after a bad case of poison ivy that heavily involved the skin of my right orbit in the Summer of 2001 I had swelling and bulging of my R. eye along with drooping of the R. eyelid that had remained until recent treatment.
NRM: Canada's Healthcare System Through American Eyes
American critics of the canadian system like to call it socialized against thecanadian system, saying socialized medicine guarantees only the right
http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine.com/issue/2005/05_15/2_government_medicine02

Extractions: While Americans often pride themselves on their exceptionalism, like other mortals they do sometimes look abroad to see how foreigners shape their societies. Many regard with awe the French miracle diet, Japanese auto manufacturing, German engineering and, it would seem, Canadian healthcare. LAST BEST CHANCE? Enthusiasm for universal healthcare among those already insured quickly fizzled amid fears that a 'Soviet style' system would mean that some bureaucrat would choose each patient's doctor and unspeakable abominations would ensue. Soon thereafter centrist Democrats, already lukewarm to the plan, abandoned the president in droves and the bill died. And the loudest voice opposing universal healthcare, Georgia Republican Congressman Newt Gingrich, would lead his party to victory later that year, gaining control of the Congress which they still hold to this day.
COMMENTS
Corporate leaders for socialized medicine Jim Stanford, an economist withthe canadian Auto Workers union, said employers who could operate in either
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Business Word Blog: Krugman Pushes For Socialized Medicine; Distorts As Usual
Krugman pushes for socialized medicine; distorts as usual Anybody who followedlast summers canadian elections knows how unhappy canadians are with
http://www.businessword.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1490/

Extractions: Atom Paul and his friend Uwe see the world from the perspective of hard left socialists. I see it from the perspective of someone who has written about health care markets for almost 30 years and believes in regulated free and diversified markets. We get our health care from a collection of industries. There is no health care system, which is one of the great things about health care in this country. We have choices and the freedom to experiment that are not seen in any other country. As usual, Paul picks the stats that build his case and ignores reality. The column is here. Posted by Donald E. L. Johnson on 04/15 at 06:30 AM
Jeff Quinton - Backcountry Conservative: Dan Aykroyd Against Socialized Medicine
Dan Aykroyd Against socialized medicine. From Page Six One place you don twant to get sick is Quebec, the canadian actor advised us after a
http://www.jquinton.com/archives/000611.html

Extractions: DAN Aykroyd is no fan of the bureaucratic bungling and cut-rate care of socialized medicine. "One place you don't want to get sick is Quebec," the Canadian actor advised us after a screening of Denys Arcand's "The Barbarian Invasions." "It's all socialized. Believe me, you don't want to go to a hospital there." "Barbarians," a warm and witty tale about a French-Canadian college professor dying of cancer, won best screenplay at Cannes. And judging from the buzz at the dinner after at the Plaza Athénée with Todd Solondz, Bret Easton Ellis, Marina Rust and Frank Langella, Manhattan's cognoscenti agree. Update Freedom of Thought has more on Canadian healthcare. TrackBack
Infidel Cowboy: On The Wonders Of Socialized Medicine
At its annual meeting in Toronto on Tuesday, the canadian Medical I findsomething really telling about the socialized medicine pushers, however.
http://infidelcowboy.com/archives/on_the_wonders_of_socialized_medicine.php

Extractions: On the Wonders of Socialized Medicine According to AP and the New York Times, Canada needs help in getting more doctors TORONTO (AP) An association of Canadian doctors is urging the government to provide $1 billion Canadian (US$765 million) to help combat a national shortage of health care workers. At its annual meeting in Toronto on Tuesday, the Canadian Medical Association said health-reform experts have identified shortfalls among all types of physicians, nurses and technicians as a major obstacle to reducing long waiting lists for procedures that include joint replacement, heart bypass and cancer care. A report by the association analyzing the shortfall shows Canada has 2.1 physicians per 1,000 residents, ranking it 25th out of 30 countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, a forum that assesses economic and social policy. The medical association wants Canada's government to provide $1 billion Canadian (US$765 million) over five years for a national Health Human Resources Reinvestment Fund to increase the number of openings for medical students and postgraduate training positions, while fast-tracking residencies for medical graduates from other countries and establishing a program to recruit and retain health care professionals. The fund would also be used to set up an institute to map out the number of doctors, nurses and other care providers that will be needed in the future.
American Conservative Union Foundation
The internet if full of reports claiming that the canadian socialized It iseasy to afford socialized medicine when you dont have to pay for any of the
http://acuf.org/issues/issue5/040205gov.asp
Kelley Ross For State Assembly, 1994 Pages
NO to socialized medicine! In November Californians are being asked to vote fora canadian style, singlepayer, socialized medicine system.
http://www.friesian.com/ross/ca40/1994.htm

Extractions: NO to Socialized Medicine! In November Californians are being asked to vote for a Canadian style, "single-payer," socialized medicine system. Under this system every doctor, nurse, and medical technician in the State will become an employee of State government, and medical services will supposedly become "free" and guaranteed for everyone in California. The unrepentant leftists who have proposed this scheme, people who are ashamed and resentful of actually being called socialists, argue that these kinds of public takeovers of medicine work fine in Canada and everywhere else that they have been tried. That is a lie. Socialism, wherever it has been tried, results in a restriction of services and a decline in the quality of services. Canadians routinely must wait even months for routine medical tests and even for surgery. Canadians
March 29, 2005
The claims endlessly repeated by proponents of socialized medicine that The only good thing about our canadian system is that it does not cost much
http://commonsensewonder.com/mtarchives/007412.shtml

Extractions: Main Jeff Jacoby offers a counter-argument to the leftist argument , er, bumper sticker in favor of U.S. socialized medicine. There is a bumper sticker on the car ahead of me as I drive down Interstate 93. In white letters on a navy background, it proclaims: ''Single-Payer Health Care!'' That's it. There is no argument, no attempt at logic or emotion or humor just an impatient demand for the drastic transformation of one-seventh of the US economy. And note the exclamation point. That is to communicate earnestness, certitude, and indignation classic elements of the liberal approach to policymaking: When promoting radical change, passion and good intentions are what matter most. Real-world consequences count for far less. As it happens, the real-world consequences of single-payer healthcare also known as socialized medicine or national health insurance are well-documented. Single-payer care exists in Canada, New Zealand, Great Britain, and much of Western Europe. And wherever it has been tried, writes John C. Goodman
Entrez PubMed
Cardiology in a system of socialized medicine canadian experience. McGregor M.MeSH Terms Canada Cardiology*/education Costs and Cost Analysis
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
Entrez PubMed
Editorial socialized medicinethe canadian experience. Zweig SM. MeSH TermsCanada Fees, Medical Financing, Government State medicine*
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
U-TURN - Medical Socialism
Long waiting periods for medical treatments are found in all canadian provinces . socialized medicine not only restricts availability of medical care,
http://www.u-turn.net/2-2/social.html

Extractions: By Blair McHenry Proverbs 11:26 says that "People curse the man who hoards grain but blessings crown him who is willing to sell." This passage points out that to create an artificial shortage in the face of genuine human need is a detestable practice. Socialism - which has historically presented itself as the political philosophy of compassion - has always resulted in reduced and poorer services, artificial shortages and rationing. This is true regardless of where it has been tried or what aspect of life it has been applied to; socialism has never raised the standard of living and level of care for the less fortunate. Socialized medical care is no exception. Wherever it has been introduced, including in our own country, the result has been declining standards and the rationing of medical care. I have listened with great concern as President Clinton has attempted to convince the American public that the solution to the "health care crisis" is to adopt a Canadian-style form of socialized medical coverage. My first-hand experience with socialized medicine has convinced me that if the Clinton plan were adopted, it would be a disaster for all American citizens as well as thousands of Canadian citizens. At the beginning of November 1993, my Canadian doctor diagnosed that I had a major inguinal hernia that would require surgery. Upon his diagnosis, my doctor put me immediately on the surgery wait list. After waiting over four months, I had still not heard any word as to an expected surgery date. Because I was in pain and discomfort every day and had physically deteriorated to such an extent that some people barely recognized me, I sought out medical care at a hospital in Seattle, Washington. When the Seattle doctor saw my hernia he was aghast that I had waited for over four and a half months for surgery. He then asked me what day I would like to have my surgery!
Article | Socialized Medicine On Life Support
From a distance, Canada may seem to have it all modern medicine and socialized medicine on Life Support The Supreme Court of Canada finally gets one
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_weekly_standard-socialized_medicine_lif

Extractions: June 27, 2005 By David Gratzer The Supreme Court of Canada is arguably the most liberal high court in the Western world, having recently endorsed the constitutionality of gay marriage and medical marijuana. Most legal scholars expressed surprise that the justices even agreed to hear this appeal of a health care case twice dismissed by lower courts. Involving a man who waited almost a year for a hip replacement, the bench decided that the province of Quebec has no right to restrict the freedom of a person to purchase health care or health insurance. In doing so, they struck down two Quebec laws, overturning a 30-year ban on private medicine in the province. The wording of the ruling, though, has implications beyond Quebec, and could be used to scrap other major parts of Canada's federal health care legislation. What would drive the bench to such a profound ruling? Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin and Justice John Major wrote: "The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health care system are widespread, and that, in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care."
Will Canada's Socialized Medicine Kill A Hero?
Jewish World Review June 9, 2005 / 2 Sivan, 5765. Will Canada s socialized medicinekill a hero? By David HaLevi. Printer Friendly Version
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0605/tegegne.php3

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Socialized Medicine: Definition And Much More From Answers.com
socialized medicine, publicly administered system of national health care. Canada has a federally sponsored system of medical insurance with voluntary
http://www.answers.com/topic/publicly-funded-medicine

Extractions: Encyclopedia socialized medicine, Medicare , a federally administered program for those over 65, and Medicaid , a federally funded program of medical care for the poor that is administered by the individual states. Veterans have access to Veterans Health Administration facilities; care is free or partially subsidized, depending on whether injuries and disabilities are service connected. Medical soÂ·cialÂ·ized medicine sÅ shÉ-lÄ«zd n. A system for providing medical and hospital care for all at a nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and subsidies derived from taxation. Wikipedia publicly funded medicine Publicly funded medicine is a level of medical service that is paid wholly or in majority part by public funds ( taxes or quasi-taxes). Publicly funded medicine is often referred to as "socialized medicine" by its opponents, whereas supporters of this approach tend to use the terms "universal healthcare", "single payer healthcare", or
Coyote Blog: Failure Of Socialized Medicine In Canada
Failure of socialized medicine in Canada. socialized medicine supporters in theUS often talk about Canada s really, really good and affordable care.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2004/10/failure_of_soci.html

Extractions: hostName = '.coyoteblog.com'; Main Socialized medicine supporters in the US often talk about Canada's really, really good and affordable care. Except no one can have any, but if they could get any care, I am sure they would love it. Check out this company, Timely Medical Alternatives . Specializes in getting you to the US so you can actually have your operation. Sure must be a mess if there is a niche for this. UPDATE The Canadians have now made clear that they will not accept the Kerry plan for mass drug re-importation from Canada. Why? One would think that the socialized medicine supporting politicians in Canada would support Kerry and other socialized medicine supporters in the US. Fellow travelers stick together. The reason, is, of course, that the Canadians have long ago recognized the truth in what I said above. US massive drug re-importation will just cause drug companies to raise prices in the target countries. Canada likes the below-full-cost pricing they get on drugs, and are opting to let the US keep paying for its drug development. Permalink TrackBack URL for this entry:
Publicly Funded Medicine - Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia
Publicly funded medicine is often referred to as socialized medicine or Even though Canada pays all private health care providers at the same rate,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicly_funded_medicine

Extractions: See How to Edit and Style and How-to for help, or this article's talk page It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Health care system Discuss Publicly funded medicine is a healthcare system that is financed wholly or in majority part by government funds ( taxes or quasi-taxes). Publicly funded medicine is often referred to as "socialized medicine" or "nationalized medicine" by its opponents, whereas supporters of this approach tend to use the terms "universal healthcare", "single payer healthcare", or National Health Services . It is seen as a key part of a welfare state (see Welfare State for an interpretation in UK terms). Publicly funded medicine may be administered and provided by the government ; however, in some systems, medicine is publicly funded but most health providers are private entities, such as in Canada . The organization providing public health insurance is not necessarily a public administration, and its budget may be isolated from the main state budget. Likewise, some systems do not necessarily provide universal healthcare or restrict coverage to public health facilities. Some countries, such as
Failure Defined As Success In Socialized Medicine
Failure Defined As Success in socialized medicine In Canada, who takes hercues from North Korea and Cuba, medical professionals can only but work for
http://www.ilanamercer.com/Failure.htm

Extractions: Failure Defined As Success in Socialized Medicine O nly weeks back, health care experts celebrated the imminent infusion into the Canada Health and Social Transfer system of some $21.2-billion dollars. There was a sense of being back on track. The experts, for the most, claimed a renewed pledge had been made to the health care Leviathan, although they gingerly proffered that more of a change in delivery of services was required. This has been forgotten. Defection of specialists continues unabated, waiting times for life saving treatment grow, and much of the diagnostic equipment is obsolete. Make no mistake; I am not here accusing the Feds of good will. But even they, however, are powerless to give the nation what it demands, because no amount of money will do, not ever. A socialized system by nature midwives the dilapidation we are witnessing. Show me a company in the private sector (which is not the recipient of government handouts) that is shielded from bankruptcy. An audit doubtless would reveal that Medicare is insolvent, yet the fact that the taxpayer is forced to bankroll it indefinitely with tax dollars, immunizes the system against fiscal accountability. Medicare, it can be said, is a perfect system of unaccountability. Compounding this, prices of services are pegged at zero. This drives consumers to use the service voraciously, with the result that endemic shortages are built into the system. And why are the experts in a tizzy attempting arbitrarily to figure out where the latest cash is needed most? They can't seem to decide whether it should go to technology, staff, or maybe towards new databases to keep tabs on Canadians. In a free market, the institute of private property ensures that we have prices. Prices are like a compass: pegged to supply and demand they ensure the correct allocation of resources. Conversely, in a nationalized system there are no prices because there is no private property. Absent such knowledge, misallocation of capital is inevitable. The attitude, however, seems to be that of "let the people use derrière doctors (proctologists)" if misallocation causes shortages of surgeons.
Archive | September 1996 | Need Does Not Create Right -- Socialized Medicine Mus
Need Does Not Create Right socialized medicine Must Go Under the currentCanadian Medicare system, doctors do not have the right to charge their own
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0996medicine.htm

Extractions: web posted September 1996 That being so, does the government have the right to mandate what a doctor will charge for their services? The answer, in a free society, is no. Under the current Canadian Medicare system, doctors do not have the right to charge their own rates based on market conditions and their own ability. The government effectively decides how the Medicare system will be run and who gets access to it. Doctors do not have the right to open private clinics even if they choose to opt out (which cannot be done) out of the system. The argument used often enough in support of Medicare is that the average person cannot afford health care without a collectivist program. This is complete balderdash. Who is paying for health care now? The average person. If the current load of social programs were to be cut completely, as would be morally proper, the average person could pay for their own health care or purchase what level of insurance they wished to cover health costs. The second problem with Medicare is the very coercive nature of the program. If one does not wish to be a part of the Medicare system, one has no recourse. Your taxes pay for the institutional slavery of doctors and patients whether you support it or not. At the barrel of a proverbial gun you are told that you must be a part of Medicare because it is good for you and society.

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