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Supply and migration of Canadian physicians, 1970-1995: why we should learn to love an immigrant doctor.: An article from: Canadian Journal of Regional Science by Hugh Grant, Ronald Oertel, 1997-03-22
French health-care reform: 30,000 uninsured: France's experience offers a caution to Canadians seeking similar health-care reform.(WORLD): An article from: Catholic New Times by Tom Sandborn, 2006-05-21
Senate Committee study on Canada's health care system.: An article from: Canadian Parliamentary Review by Jeffrey J. MacLeod, Howard Chodos, 2003-03-22
Pay attention to values.(Canadian health care system)(Editorial): An article from: Catholic New Times
Caring for profit: how corporations are taking over Canada's health care system.: An article from: Labour/Le Travail
Etude du systeme de sante canadien par le Comite senatorial.: An article from: Revue parlementaire canadienne by Jeffrey J. MacLeod, Howard Chodos, 2003-03-22

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Canada Inches Toward Private Medicine | Csmonitor.com
But now that the canadian Supreme Court has ruled private health insurers lecturing conservative US groups about the dangers of socialized medicine.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0808/p06s01-woam.html

Extractions: TORONTO Canadians have long prized their public healthcare system as a reflection of national values, and have looked askance at the inequities of private medical care in the United States. But now that the Canadian Supreme Court has ruled private health insurers should be allowed to compete with the public system, the future of Canadian healthcare is a question mark.
DUCK - Doctors For Universal Coverage And Kindness
Rescind socialized medicine. The only way to enable all citizens to enjoy thebenefits It cannot function with regard to canadian health care either.
http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/block.htm

Extractions: Omnia pro aegroto by Walter Block Part-time Vancouver resident Walter Block (wblock@loyno.edu) is Harold E. Wirth Eminent Scholar Chair Professor of Economics in the College of Business Administration at Loyola University, New Orleans. First published in Ideas on Liberty, December 2001, by the Foundation for Economic Education, 30 South Broadway, Irvington-on-Hudson, NY 10533. Reprinted with permission. Recently, Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien changed his mind about his country's system of socialized medicine. After long and hard opposition, he now favors a two-tier health system, including user fees and private provision. This makes it all the more important to take another look, not just at the surface of state-run medical care, but at its basic principles. Ever since Vancouver Canuck hockey player Daniel Sedin jumped the health-care queue with his herniated and ruptured lower back disc, there has been an outbreak of wailing and gnashing of teeth on the part of defenders of socialized medicine. Nor was this the only such high-profile case. About a year ago Grizzlies basketball center Bryant "Big Country" Reeves hurt his ankle and was similarly catapulted to the head of the medical waiting list. But beyond such headline-grabbing cases there are numerous other privileged characters: politicians and bureaucrats and their families and friends with political pull and doctors, nurses, other health-care professionals, and those who can rely on them for favors. This is called "professional courtesy."
Canadian Medicine: Tom Douglas
His contribution to canadian medicine was not due to a medical skill or greatdiscovery, He introduced socialized medicine (statesponsored and
http://www.mta.ca/faculty/arts/canadian_studies/english/about/study_guide/doctor

Extractions: Canadian Medicine: Doctors and Discoveries Part III The Nature of Health Care Delivery What medical services are available to a society? How does one secure such medical services and/or treatments? Who pays for this? The system in which health care is delivered affects how medicine is practiced and how the sick are treated in any country. Throughout history, doctors and patients have negotiated and shaped the delivery of medical care. In Canada, it was a politician from Western Canada, Thomas C. "Tommy" Douglas, who led the movement towards universal health care, a government-sponsored system that ensured open and equal access to medical services for all Canadians. Thomas C. Douglas: "The Father of Canadian Health Care" Thomas C. Douglas (1904-1986) was not a doctor; he was a politician from Saskatchewan. His contribution to Canadian medicine was not due to a medical skill or great discovery, but as "the father of Canadian health care." He introduced socialized medicine (state-sponsored and salaried-physician medical care) to the province of Saskatchewan during his 44-year political career. Douglas envisioned and worked towards a universal system of health care that moved beyond provincial to national enactment, and today has become the envy of most countries in the world. Douglas entered politics in the 1930s in Saskatchewan as a member of the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (CCF), the
Canadian Medicine: Tom Douglas
(Short Answer 10)His contribution to canadian medicine was not due to a medicalskill or great He introduced socialized medicine (statesponsored and
http://www.mta.ca/faculty/arts/canadian_studies/english/about/study_guide/doctor

Extractions: Canadian Medicine: Doctors and Discoveries Part III The Nature of Health Care Delivery What medical services are available to a society? How does one secure such medical services and/or treatments? Who pays for this? The system in which health care is delivered affects how medicine is practiced and how the sick are treated in any country. Throughout history, doctors and patients have negotiated and shaped the delivery of medical care. In Canada, it was a politician from Western Canada, Thomas C. "Tommy" Douglas, who led the movement towards universal health care, a government-sponsored system that ensured open and equal access to medical services for all Canadians. Thomas C. Douglas: "The Father of Canadian Health Care" Thomas C. Douglas (1904-1986) was not a doctor; he was a politician from Saskatchewan. (Short Answer #10) His contribution to Canadian medicine was not due to a medical skill or great discovery, but as "the father of Canadian health care." He introduced socialized medicine (state-sponsored and salaried-physician medical care) to the province of Saskatchewan during his 44-year political career. Douglas envisioned and worked towards a universal system of health care that moved beyond provincial to national enactment, and today has become the envy of most countries in the world. Douglas entered politics in the 1930s in Saskatchewan as a member of the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (CCF), the
Archive | April 24, 2000 | Socialized Medicine Leaves A Bad Taste In Patients' M
socialized medicine leaves a bad taste in patients mouths Last fall, acolleague of mine visited the canadian province of Manitoba.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0400socmed.htm

Extractions: web posted April 24, 2000 Hospital food is rarely mistaken for gourmet cuisine anywhere, but at least in Michigan it is not an issue over which major political campaigns are waged. In Canada, however, it isand the lesson it provides for American health care is profound. Last fall, a colleague of mine visited the Canadian province of Manitoba. With just a few days left before the elections, political campaigning there was at a fever pitch. My friend was astonished to observe that the dominant issue was indeed hospital food. The patients of Manitoba's hospitals had complained for months about the introduction of "re-thermalized food"cut-rate meals prepared 1,300 miles away in Toronto, then frozen and shipped to Manitoba where they are nuked in microwaves and served. Peter Holle, president of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy in Winnipeg, explained that re-heating meals was a cost-saving "innovation" of government bureaucrats employed by regional health authorities. "Never mind that they taste like cardboard," says Holle. "Never mind that individual tastes and circumstances might dictate decentralized food services. Re-heated meals became a symbol of efficiency for the supposedly compassionate do-gooders in government. Why pay hundreds of workers in dozens of Manitoba kitchens when we can just zap up frozen dinners from Toronto?" As it turned out, the incumbent government in Manitoba and many of its supporters went down to defeat. Vile victuals were a key reason.
Socialized Medicine Is The Problem
Recently, canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien changed his mind about his It is built on a foundation of quicksand. Rescind socialized medicine
http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=260
Loved To Death: Americas Unresolved Health-Care Crisis
The canadian healthcare system of single-payer, socialized insurance is in The childish attachment to the idea of government medicine, in Canada and
http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=3897
FrontPage Magazine.com :: Socialized Medicine Resurrexit By Jeffrey Miles
socialized medicine Resurrexit With regard to the costs, single payer healthcare such as the canadian system is the most expensive form of insurance in
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8332
Nassau Institute
Health. 04 April 2004 1025 socialized medicine Is the Problem Walter Block How good is canadian Health Care? 16 April 2004 - 1259
http://www.nassauinstitute.org/wmview.php?ArtID=412
HEALTHCARE WARNING -- CANUCK SOCIALIZED MEDICINE TOPEDOED BY LEFT-WING COURT
It is virtually impossible to have a debate about the American healthcare systemwithout someone mentioning the canadian alternative (socialized medicine,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424132/posts

Extractions: The only trouble, of course, is that Canadians face intolerable waiting times that compromise their health and quality of life (and sometimes their very lives themselves). The situation has gotten so severe that now even the Supreme Court of Canada, not an institution known for putting the individual above the collective, has admitted that relegating people to a public system that causes untold suffering and outlaws the purchasing of private insurance as a voluntary opt-out of the long lines is unacceptable..... posted on 06/16/2005 8:39:23 AM PDT by Apolitical Post Reply Private Reply View Replies To: Apolitical People all over have a dread fear of illness and the growing expense especially to the poor and aged. This is the stick that Evita will beat you over the head with to get into the WH. Don't be deluded into seeing her or her plans as a cure for the problem. Less than anyone, can she offer a solution. More money (from you know where) is not the problem. This is the richest and most advanced country in the world and IF the answer was more money, we would not even be talking about this.
Backed Against A Wall(Canadian Health Care)
you think the lower canadian wages are related to socialized medicine? No wonder this doc likes socialized medicine. He actually gets Christmas off!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1044077/posts

Extractions: Backed against a wall By MARGARET WENTE Saturday, December 20, 2003 - Page A29 Kate Hansen can't remember exactly how long it's been since she was able to stand up straight. She thinks the last time was around 15 years ago. At 44, Ms. Hansen is almost doubled over from a rare form of degenerative rheumatoid arthritis that causes her spine to curve. "I look like a question mark," she says. She has been avoiding corrective surgery for years, but now she knows she has no choice. "If I don't do it, I'll be looking through my knees to walk," she says with a rueful laugh. But now, Ms. Hansen has discovered what hundreds of thousands of Canadians already know. Deciding to have surgery and getting it are two different things. Marcel Dvorak, also 44, is Ms. Hansen's surgeon. He's the medical director of the spine program at Vancouver General Hospital, and one of Canada's top spine surgeons. Ms. Hansen finally got in to see him last July after several false starts to get the right referral. They agreed she was a good candidate for surgery, and his office told her she'd be contacted in the late fall or early winter. And that's pretty much the last she heard. At this point, Dr. Dvorak isn't certain when he'll be able to perform the procedure that will allow Ms. Hansen to stand up straight again. That's because her surgery is "elective," as opposed to urgent, and these days his elective cases are constantly being bumped, with patients usually a year or so for surgery. "Yesterday, we were going to do three surgeries," he told me when I spoke with him last week. "We had to cancel all three because there were no beds."
A Constrained Vision: Socialized Medicine Good For Dogs
socialized medicine good for dogs. Parapundit s canadian friend took his dog tosee a vet, then to see a specialist, then to get a CT scan. Time elapsed?
http://aconstrainedvision.blogspot.com/2004/12/socialized-medicine-good-for-dogs

Extractions: What does this mean? BlogThis! "To those with the constrained vision, it is axiomatic that no individual or council can master this complexity [of social processes], so that systemic processesâmarket economies, social traditions, constitutional lawâare relied on instead." Thomas Sowell, A Conflict of Visions Socialized medicine good for dogs Parapundit's Canadian friend took his dog to see a vet, then to see a specialist, then to get a CT scan. Time elapsed? Three weeks. The dog's veterinarinary adventures are noteworthy because, compared to health care for humans, they happened extraordinarily quickly. Parapundit links to a Fraser Institute study detailing the consequences of Canada's government-provided health care system: The total waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased this year; rising to 17.7 weeks in 2003 (from 16.5 weeks in 2001-02)....
Loved To Death: America's Unresolved Health-Care Crisis
The canadian healthcare system of single-payer, socialized insurance is The hard truth is that socialized medicine is destroying health care in Canada.
http://www.libertyhaven.com/politicsandcurrentevents/healthcarewelfareorsocialse

Extractions: Health-Care Crisis The Canadian health-care system of single-payer, socialized insurance is in trouble. Yet Congress and the president continue to push the American system in the same direction. As Canada's national government slashes spending on medical care in order to reduce the deficit, local provinces are reducing medical staff. In Ontario, pregnant women are being sent to Detroit because no obstetricians are available. Specialists of all kinds are in short supply. Patients have to wait eight weeks for an MRI, ten weeks for referral to a specialist, and four months for heart bypass surgery. Does this sound like the utopian care Canadian politicians promised their constituents? The hard truth is that socialized medicine is destroying health care in Canada. Most Americans do not understand that we are headed down a similar path in this country. The same mistaken economic and philosophical ideas that created socialized medicine in Canada are leading to semi-socialized medicine in the United States. The increase in managed care, bureaucracy, waiting lists, and expense is largely the fault of the government. In its zeal to "compassionately" meet all of our health-care demands, the government is loving us to death.
FARK.com: (1408952) Canadian Hospital To Person With Heart Problem: "We Can See
In socialized medicine he may or may not get his treatment. The life expectancytables As an American, I love Canada s socialized healthcare system!
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1408952
The World Wide Rant - V3.0
So how well is socialized medicine working up north and across the pond? A key factor behind these statistics is the inability of the canadian system
http://www.worldwiderant.com/archives/001045.html

Extractions: Main While being needlessly insulted by Bobby for not fitting into his black and white view of the world (honestly, the dimwit keeps referring to me as a Republican, go figure), I stumbled across some interesting facts about socialized healthcare. You see, according to Bobby, socialized healthcare is a panacea - why, if only the United States could follow the bold example set by the United Kingdom and Canada! So - how well is socialized medicine working up north and across the pond? Let's find out: Canada - from here For example, in its 2001 annual survey...the Fraser Institute, found that, for patients requiring surgery, the total average waiting time from the initial visit to the family doctor through to surgery was sixteen weeks.... ...A key factor behind these statistics is the inability of the Canadian system to provide even equipment deemed basic, let alone new technology...
Health Savings Account Article - Five Myths To Socialized Medicine - HSA For Ame
People who believe in socialized medicine have come to believe many myths. canadian hospitals love to admit American patients, because that means cash
http://www.health--savings--accounts.com/article-8-john.htm
Blogcritics.org: The Wonder Of Socialized Medicine
The fact that their governments are moving away from socialized medicine after I ve heard that hospitals along the canadian border in Vermont and New
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/02/16/185939.php

Extractions: Link to Blogcritics! var site="s11blogcritics" Home Posted by Dave Nalle on February 16, 2005 06:59 PM (See all posts by Dave Nalle Filed under: Politics Scroll down to read comments on this story and/or add one of your own. What Your Doctor Won't (or Can't) Tell You Evan S. Levine Book from Putnam Adult Release date: 19 February, 2004 People keep telling me how great it would be if we had a nice, organized system of nationalized healthcare here in the US, but I've always been skeptical. I keep hearing horror stories of people dying while waiting for basic operations or even not being able to get simple tests in Canada or Germany. All of this anecdotal evidence has made me leery of the concept. Clearly I'm not alone given the extremely negative reaction to Hillary Clinton's attempt to socialize our healthcare system in the 90s. Yet people keep telling me how great it would be and how so many Americans are uninsured and don't get adequate healthcare.
Socialized Medicine And National Health Care
Illinois is considering a canadian version of socialized medicine that wouldprohibit insurance companies from providing insurance for Illinois residents
http://doctordurante.com/Socialized_medicine.html

Extractions: Socialized Medicine and National Health Care " : Prescription for a Fool's Paradise" "Government Watch: ?" "Government Watch: Americare More Poison Offered as Cure" "Government Watch: in U.S. Health-Care Reform Proposals" Links to groups fighting socialized medicine and national health care Salvatore J. Durante's home page: index.html Salvatore J. Durante's publications: Publications.html "National Health Care: Prescription for a Fool's Paradise" The Freeman, April 1991; reprinted in Prices and Price Controls, in the series The Freeman Classics, 1992. Suppose I promise you health-care like you've never had before. When you visit a doctor or a hospital, all you'll have to do is show a card, and someone else will foot the bill. You'll never have to fill out another insurance form or wait for another reimbursement to come in. And, I promise, you'll get the same quality of care you get now, and won't have to pay more taxes for it. Would you vote for me? Most people would. Would you get what I promised? No, because it's impossible to deliver. This is the promise of those who advocate "national health-care" or "universal health insurance" (on either the state or national level). In either case, what is involved is extensive or complete government control of health-care: control of who pays for services, who provides them, and who receives them. We have, before our eyes, an example of a very similar system that has been operating now for 26 years: Medicare. We aim to demonstrate here, by a detailed look at Medicare, that such government interference in health-care is harmful from the first to buyers and providers of health-care, and in the long run is disastrous. Government medicine, on the national or the state level, is a prescription for a fool's paradise.
The Myths Of Canadian Health Care
Maybe the canadian newspapers will tell us what proponents of socialized medicine The push for socialized medicine isnât just about health care;
http://www.usanext.org/full_story.cfm?article_id=24&category_id=5
Physician-Assisted Suicide And Active Euthanasia Leads To Health Care System Reo
This proposed system resembles a system of socialized medicine in several ways . Nevertheless, the canadian socialized system does not take care of the
http://www.englishdiscourse.org/edc.1.3garroutte.html

Extractions: Most of the debates concerning physician-assisted suicide continue to focus on its moral permissibility to determine it legal status. Ezekiel Emanuel believes that the primary factor in determining physician-assisted suicide's permissibility is the inequity of its potential harms and benefits. Emanuel asserts that the debates are not focusing on the real issue at hand; instead they are distracted by legal propaganda that leads them to invalid assumptions. The assumption that all members of society have equal access to health care is a fundamental flaw that is used to determine physician-assisted suicide's moral permissibility. Emanuel supports the idea that the health care system must treat all members of society equally before physician-assisted suicide is deemed morally permissible. Without equal distribution of health care, physician-assisted suicide is not morally permissible (Emanuel 641). In the United States, health care is not available to all members of society; forty three million Americans do not have medical insurance (Floyd 235). The moral permissibility of physician-assisted suicide is dependant on the fact that all members of society would be equally affected by its perceived harms and benefits. According to Emanuel physician-assisted suicide is not morally or legally permissible in a health care system that is analogous to that of the United State's because health care is not equally distributed.

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