101. Talk:Vladimir Kramnik - Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia TalkVladimir kramnik kramnik is recognized as the world chess champion buthe is not the highest rated player in the world. Malathion 0614, 28 May http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vladimir_Kramnik

Talk:Vladimir Kramnik From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. However, the FIDE rating list is not an official determinant of status but rather a provisional or estimated ranking. I don't think I understand this. The FIDE list is about as official as it gets, isn't it? If it isn't an indicator of who is world number two, then who is? Camembert The FIDE list is as official as those ESPN ratings of football teams. They may put Kramnik at number 2 but the fact is, the man is the world champion and is #1 until somebody beats him in a 35 game series. Well, first of all, I think FIDE, which is after all the governing body for chess, is rather more oficial than ESPN. Granted, FIDE has its faults, but the Elo system is not one of them. Secondly, who says he has to be beaten in a 35 game series to not be world no. 1 any more? Kramnik - Kasparov was only a 16 game match, wasn't it, one of, if not the, shortest world championship matches ever. Thirdly, as it is the article says: "In the FIDE rating list for October 2002, Kramnik was ranked number two in the world, behind Kasparov." Why does this need qualification? OK, maybe there are other ways of ranking skill at playing chess, but this statement makes it clear that we're just dealing with the FIDE rating list. Why, after all, is a world championship match a better indication of who is world number one than an Elo list? Consequently, I've changed your statement somewhat. I hope it's OK for you. By the way, related to this: does anybody know if Kramnik has finished above Kasparov in a tournament since his match win (I've been taking a bit of a break from chess for a while, so I'm not up to date on these things).

102. Russia’s Kramnik Retains Chess World Title - NEWS - MOSNEWS.COM Russias kramnik Retains chess World Title. Defending world champion Vladimirkramnik of Russia retained his title on Monday in the Classical World chess http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/19/kramnikwins.shtml

var stripe_code = 'news'; Ousted PM ashamed for former ally Putin First to Sign Nuclear Convention UN document signed Rally Demanding Putin Resignation Banned in Moscow Legal experts called oppo slogans extremist NEWS Partner project of: HOME NEWS FEATURE COLUMN ... ABOUT TIME ARCHIVE SEARCH %(domain)s %(domain)s MONEY DJ RusIndex RUR/USD RUR/EURO Oil Brent Oil Urals Nickel Gold Platinum Palladium WEATHER Moscow celsium=Math.round((57-32)/1.8); document.write(celsium) mainly clear Vladimir Kramnik / photo: Reuters Created: 19.10.2004 10:58 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 16:39 MSK document.write(get_ago(1124541588)); MosNews Kramnik said he was sure Leko would be a challenger again for the world title. Kramnik first seized the title four years ago from fellow Russian Garry Kasparov and may face off against his former nemesis to decide who will be the one and only world number one in chess. The match in Brissago, which has been recognized by the rival World Chess Federation FIDE, was billed as the first move towards reconciliation following an 11-year row that has torn the chess world apart. The classical championship was formed by the Association of Chess Professionals which broke away from FIDE in 1993 in a schism similar to the one that dogged the boxing world for many years.

103. PCA Rating List As Of October 1 1994 Players 2500 Or Higher kramnik,vladimir RUS 2679 173 10. Gelfand,Boris BLA 2671 182 11. Yusupov,ArturGER 2661 164 12. Lautier,Joel FRA 2653 200 13. Sokolov,Ivan BIH 2646 196 14. http://www.helsinki.fi/public/shakki/ratings.html

PCA rating list as of October 1 1994 Players 2500 or higher. Columns are name/nationality/rating/variance. 1. Kasparov,Gary RUS 2813 158 2. Karpov,Anatoly RUS 2758 173 3. Kamsky,Gata USA 2741 174 4. Anand,Viswanathan IND 2738 179 5. Ivanchuk,Vassily UKR 2734 167 6. Salov,Valery RUS 2699 173 7. Piket,Jeroen NED 2694 163 8. Shirov,Alexei LAT 2687 183 9. Kramnik,Vladimir RUS 2679 173 10. Gelfand,Boris BLA 2671 182 11. Yusupov,Artur GER 2661 164 12. Lautier,Joel FRA 2653 200 13. Sokolov,Ivan BIH 2646 196 14. Ehlvest,Jaan EST 2640 174 15. Polgar,Judit HUN 2637 199 16. Timman,Jan H NED 2637 186 17. Short,Nigel D ENG 2637 180 18. Akopian,Vladimir ARM 2637 165 19. Vaganian,Rafael A ARM 2635 186 20. Korchnoi,Viktor SUI 2635 182 21. Adams,Michael ENG 2634 190 22. Bareev,Evgeny RUS 2634 178 23. Tiviakov,Sergei RUS 2632 203 24. Nikolic,Predrag BIH 2629 178 25. Huebner,Robert GER 2629 169 26. Georgiev,Kiril BUL 2622 194 27. Dreev,Alexey RUS 2620 182 28. Topalov,Veselin BUL 2619 199 29. Hodgson,Julian M ENG 2619 182 30. Epishin,Vladimir RUS 2619 179 31. Kaidanov,Grigory S RUS 2618 183 32. Beliavsky,Alexander G UKR 2617 209 33. Gulko,Boris F USA 2617 166 34. Nunn,John D M ENG 2616 175 35. Hansen,Curt DEN 2614 168 36. Speelman,Jonathan S ENG 2614 159 37. Dolmatov,Sergey RUS 2614 157 38. Dautov,Rustem RUS 2612 177 39. Malaniuk,Vladimir P UKR 2612 162 40. Azmaiparashvili,Zurab GEO 2611 194 41. Vladimirov,Evgeny KAZ 2611 163 42. Nenashev,Alexander UZB 2608 196 43. Illescas Cordoba,Miguel ESP 2605 176 44. Magerramov,Elmar RUS 2604 188 45. Khalifman,Alexander RUS 2602 172 46. Romanishin,Oleg M UKR 2600 173 47. Gurevich,Mikhail BEL 2599 197 48. Oll,Lembit EST 2597 202 49. Fischer,Robert James USA 2594 197 50. Andersson,Ulf SWE 2594 134 51. Dorfman,Josif D FRA 2594 129 52. Agdestein,Simen NOR 2593 227 53. Yudasin,Leonid RUS 2593 179 54. Pigusov,Evgeny RUS 2593 148 55. Lputian,Smbat G ARM 2592 208 56. Novikov,Igor A UKR 2592 150 57. Sturua,Zurab GEO 2591 173 58. Vyzmanavin,Alexey RUS 2590 181 59. Rohde,Michael A USA 2589 190 60. Hort,Vlastimil GER 2588 169 61. Zvjaginsev,Vadim RUS 2588 150 62. Alterman,Boris ISR 2587 181 63. Wolff,Patrick G USA 2587 181 64. Gruenfeld,Yehuda ISR 2586 174 65. Lobron,Eric GER 2585 199 66. Ljubojevic,Ljubomir YUG 2585 186 67. Morosevic,Alexander RUS 2584 216 68. Granda Zuniga,Julio E PER 2584 205 69. Polugaevsky,Lev RUS 2584 188 70. Rublevsky,Sergei RUS 2583 164 71. Maximenko,Andrei RUS 2581 180 72. Psakhis,Lev ISR 2581 174 73. Yermolinsky,Alexey USA 2581 171 74. Cvitan,Ognjen CRO 2581 145 75. Savchenko,Stanislav UKR 2580 191 76. Chernin,Alexander HUN 2580 158 77. Serper,Grigory UZB 2579 158 78. Milov,Vadim ISR 2578 194 79. Morovic Fernandez,Ivan CHI 2578 172 80. Ribli,Zoltan HUN 2578 131 81. Sveshnikov,Evgeny RUS 2577 171 82. Huzman,Alexander UKR 2577 147 83. Miles,Anthony J ENG 2576 204 84. Kengis,Edvins LAT 2576 173 85. Hjartarson,Johann ISD 2575 199 86. Smirin,Ilia ISR 2575 189 87. Eingorn,Vereslav S UKR 2575 167 88. Kudrin,Sergey USA 2573 185 89. Watson,William N ENG 2573 181 90. Seirawan,Yasser USA 2573 178 91. Greenfeld,Alon ISR 2572 168 92. Dokhoian,Yury RUS 2572 153 93. Aleksandrov,Aleksej BLA 2571 225 94. Krasenkov,Mikhail RUS 2571 201 95. Rogers,Ian AUS 2570 185 96. DeFirmian,Nick E USA 2570 150 97. Gavrikov,Viktor LTU 2569 150 98. Kharlov,Andrei RUS 2568 200 99. Christiansen,Larry M USA 2568 194 100. Dvoirys,Semen I RUS 2568 193 101. Glek,Igor V RUS 2568 171 102. Benjamin,Joel USA 2568 166 103. Ruban,Vadim RUS 2567 200 104. Bologan,Viktor MOL 2567 192 105. Kuzmin,Alexey RUS 2566 185 106. Xie,Jun CHN 2566 180 107. Van Der Wiel,John T H NED 2566 153 108. Hellers,Ferdinand SWE 2565 177 109. Moroz,Alexander UKR 2564 190 110. Leko,Peter HUN 2564 159 111. Vaiser,Anatoly V FRA 2563 182 112. Malisauskas,Vidmantas LTU 2563 166 113. Van Wely,Loek NED 2562 202 114. Milos,Gilberto BRA 2562 190 115. Hickl,Joerg GER 2562 166 116. Razuvaev,Yuri S RUS 2562 155 117. Campora,Daniel H ARG 2561 173 118. Kotronias,Vasilios GRE 2561 166 119. Torre,Eugenio PHI 2560 173 120. Georgadze,George GEO 2560 163 121. Hertneck,Gerald GER 2559 181 122. Lerner,Konstantin Z UKR 2559 179 123. Cseshkovsky,Vitaly RUS 2559 178 124. Spasov,Vasil BUL 2559 169 125. Frolov,Artur UKR 2558 212 126. Rozentalis,Eduardas LTU 2558 197 127. Tukmakov,Vladimir B UKR 2557 191 128. Smyslov,Vassily RUS 2557 163 129. Sakaev,Konstantin RUS 2557 148 130. Shabalov,Alexander LAT 2555 207 131. Ionov,Sergey RUS 2555 168 132. Goldin,Alexander RUS 2554 166 133. Makarichev,Sergey RUS 2553 231 134. Zaichik,Gennadi GEO 2552 194 135. Xu,Jun CHN 2552 177 136. Hansen,Lars Bo DEN 2552 172 137. Kharitonov,Andrei Y RUS 2552 128 138. Yandemirov,V RUS 2551 182 139. Ye,Jiangchuan CHN 2551 168 140. Ftacnik,Lubomir TCH 2551 168 141. Stohl,Igor TCH 2551 139 142. Smagin,Sergey RUS 2550 194 143. Brodskij,Michail UKR 2550 163 144. Anastasian,Ashot ARM 2549 206 145. Lutz,Christopher GER 2549 181 146. Khenkin,Igor RUS 2549 167 147. Adianto,Utut INA 2548 200 148. Sokolov,Andrei RUS 2548 176 149. Norwood,David ENG 2547 209 150. Fishbein,Alexander USA 2547 198 151. Kuzmin,Gennadi P UKR 2547 180 152. Loginov,Valery A UZB 2546 175 153. Hulak,Krunoslav CRO 2545 207 154. Kovalev,Andrej BLA 2545 192 155. Ryskin,Alexandr RUS 2545 174 156. Onischuk,Alex UKR 2544 199 157. Dydyshko,Viacheslav BLA 2544 191 158. Stefansson,Hannes ISD 2544 187 159. Kupreichik,Viktor D BLA 2543 208 160. Van Der Sterren,Paul NED 2543 200 161. Yurtaev,Leonid KYR 2543 197 162. Sherbakov,Ruslan RUS 2543 167 163. Wojtkiewicz,Aleksander POL 2543 156 164. Gleizerov,Evgeny RUS 2543 153 165. Svidler,Peter RUS 2542 193 166. Sadler,Matthew ENG 2541 177 167. Kurajica,Bogdan BIH 2540 173 168. Damljanovic,Branko YUG 2540 166 169. Chandler,Murray G ENG 2538 189 170. Gurevich,Ilya USA 2538 185 171. Cebalo,Miso CRO 2538 178 172. Portisch,Lajos HUN 2538 149 173. Zagrebelny,Sergey UZB 2537 205 174. Gofshtein,Leonid D ISR 2537 205 175. Spraggett,Kevin CAN 2537 195 176. Makarov,Marat RUS 2537 193 177. Balashov,Yuri S RUS 2537 177 178. Dzindzichashvili,Roman USA 2537 161 179. Aseev,Konstantin N RUS 2536 197 180. Shneider,Aleksandr UKR 2536 164 181. Lin,Weiguo CHN 2535 224 182. Adorjan,Andras HUN 2535 166 183. Minasian,Artashes ARM 2534 229 184. Polgar,Zsuzsa HUN 2534 196 185. Baburin,Aleksandar RUS 2534 195 186. Kapetanovic,Armin YUG 2534 178 187. Kuczynski,Robert POL 2533 152 188. Bagirov,Vladimir LAT 2533 134 189. Shulman,Yuri BLA 2532 205 190. Kveinys,Aloyzas LTU 2532 188 191. Kindermann,Stefan GER 2532 170 192. Nikolenko,Oleg RUS 2532 149 193. Yakovich,Yuri RUS 2531 198 194. Chekhov,Valery A RUS 2531 158 195. Lalic,Bogdan CRO 2531 150 196. Pinter,Jozsef HUN 2530 169 197. Sosonko,Gennadi NED 2530 167 198. Fedorowicz,John P USA 2529 177 199. Nijboer,Friso NED 2528 193 200. Petursson,Margeir ISD 2528 169 201. Farago,Ivan HUN 2528 167 202. Spassky,Boris V FRA 2528 148 203. Sorokin,Maxim RUS 2527 176 204. Kuporosov,Viktor RUS 2527 134 205. Renet,Olivier FRA 2526 179 206. Luther,Thomas GER 2526 165 207. Hracek,Zbynek TCH 2526 163 208. Sax,Gyula HUN 2525 169 209. Tkachev,Vladislav KAZ 2525 156 210. Ulibin,Mikhail RUS 2524 187 211. Almasi,Zoltan HUN 2523 201 212. Levin,Felix UKR 2523 192 213. Golubev,Mihail UKR 2523 174 214. Phominyh,Alexej RUS 2523 153 215. Timoshenko,Georgy UKR 2522 192 216. Ruzele,Darius LTU 2522 184 217. Murshed,Niaz BAN 2522 152 218. Kozul,Zdenko BIH 2521 223 219. Sunye Neto,Jaime BRA 2521 168 220. Neverov,Valeriy UKR 2520 187 221. Horvath,Csaba HUN 2520 182 222. Handoko,Edhi INA 2520 181 223. Muhutdinov,Marat RUS 2519 215 224. Nogueiras,Jesus CUB 2519 181 225. Rivas Pastor,Manuel ESP 2518 195 226. Sermek,Drazen SLO 2518 177 227. Temirbaev,Serik KAZ 2518 173 228. Janjgava,Lasha GEO 2518 140 229. Conquest,Stuart ENG 2517 221 230. Ibragimov,Ildar RUS 2517 186 231. Taimanov,Mark E RUS 2517 172 232. Murrey,Jacob FRA 2517 166 233. Kruppa,Yuri UKR 2516 209 234. Varavin,Viktor RUS 2515 206 235. Moskalenko,Viktor UKR 2515 181 236. Titov,German MOL 2515 163 237. Korotylev,Alexey RUS 2514 195 238. Gabriel,Christian GER 2514 153 239. Magem Badals,Jorge ESP 2513 205 240. Drasko,Milan YUG 2513 175 241. Bischoff,Klaus GER 2513 163 242. Rashkovsky,Nukhim N RUS 2512 175 243. Ikonnikov,Vyacheslav RUS 2512 173 244. Hresc,Vladimir CRO 2512 151 245. Wang,Zili CHN 2511 223 246. Meister,Yakov RUS 2511 222 247. Liang,Jinrong CHN 2511 176 248. Vakhidov,T UZB 2511 158 249. Maljutin,Evgeni RUS 2510 225 250. Anapolsky,Sergey UKR 2510 222 251. Wahls,Matthias GER 2510 202 252. Ivanov,Igor V USA 2510 200 253. Suba,Mihai ROM 2510 199 254. Rechlis,Gad ISR 2510 194 255. Knaak,Rainer GER 2510 192 256. Hebden,Mark ENG 2510 191 257. Milov,Leonid UKR 2510 188 258. Barua,Dibyendu IND 2509 201 259. Shipov,Sergei RUS 2509 197 260. Davies,Nigel R ISR 2509 145 261. Kirov,Nino BUL 2508 159 262. Beim,Valery ISR 2508 151 263. Chuchelov,Vladimir RUS 2507 192 264. Popovic,Petar YUG 2507 189 265. Atalik,Suat TUR 2506 175 266. Gipslis,Aivars LAT 2506 142 267. Thorsteins,Karl ISD 2505 205 268. Arkhipov,Sergey RUS 2505 174 269. Mikhalchishin,Adrian UKR 2505 168 270. Nikolic,Nebojsa BIH 2505 145 271. Strikovic,Aleksa YUG 2504 200 272. Popchev,Milko BUL 2504 187 273. Piskov,Yury RUS 2504 175 274. Khasin,Alexander RUS 2504 154 275. Mainka,Romuald GER 2503 236 276. Ye,Rongguang CHN 2503 219 277. Vaulin,Alexander RUS 2503 191 278. Kiselev,Sergey RUS 2503 191 279. Golod,Vitali UKR 2503 188 280. Garcia Ilundain,David ESP 2502 167 281. Ubilava,Elizbar GEO 2501 213 282. Brenninkmeijer,Joris NED 2501 194 283. Semeniuk,Alexsander A RUS 2501 189 284. Hector,Jonny SWE 2500 203 285. Stirenkov,Veniamen RUS 2500 200 286. Geller,Efim P RUS 2500 190 287. Nadyrhanov,S UZB 2500 183 288. Palatnik,Semon UKR 2500 178 289. Smejkal,Jan TCH 2500 174 290. Sher,Miron N RUS 2500 169

104. Association Of Chess Professionals | ACP Tour. Tournaments Sparkassen chessMeeting, Dortmund, 22.07 - 01.08.2004, A (R = 2692), 8, 2, 420.Dannemann World chess Championship, Brissago, 25.09 - 18.10.2004 http://www.chess-players.org/eng/tour/tournaments2.html?id=22&tour=2004

105. Guardian Unlimited Sport | Special Reports | Speelman On Chess Speelman on chess Jon Speelman Sunday July 24, 2005 The Observer VladimirKramnik (Black to play) v Arkadij Naiditsch (White) http://sport.guardian.co.uk/chess/story/0,15873,1535262,00.html

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